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Trappistes Rochefort 10 Clone, version 3.0 (Dark Abbey)

The actual beer described in this post
I'm a big fan of Belgian Trappist beers, and Trappistes Rochefort 10 is one of my favorites. Some time ago I came across a recipe that claimed to be "very much a Trappistes Rochefort 10 clone" and brewed it.  The creator of the recipe was correct, it was quite close to the original.

The clone seemed to be missing the head and a caramel note in the original beer, so I tweaked the recipe to include Melanoidin malt and Carapils malt, which in combination seem to me to produce a very creamy, long-lasting Belgian-like head.  Unfortunately in the second version I also added a high-alpha hop to help with head generation and that ruined the beer for me.

In this version, I'm going back to the original roots. I'm using just Styrian Goldings to bitter it and Hallertau Mittelfrueh for flavor and aroma.  I'm adding Belgian Cara 45 malt to try to capture the caramel note that was missing from the first version.  I'm also using White Labs WLP540 yeast which is purportedly the Rochefort strain.

Ingredients

10 pounds Belgian Pilsner Malt
2 pounds Belgian Caramunich Malt
2 pounds Dingeman's Cara 45 Malt
1 pound Melanoidin Malt
1 pound Special B Malt
8 ounces Carapils/Dextrine Malt
4 ounces Chocolate Malt
1 pound D-180 Candi Syrup
1 Tbsp. pH 5.2 Stabilizer
1.5 ounces Styrian Goldings hops pellets @ 6.2% AA (60 min.)
0.70 ounces Hallertau Mittelfrueh hops pellets @ 4.0% AA (20 min)
0.50 ounces Hallertau Mittlefrueh hops pellets @ 4.0% AA (5 min)
8 ounces Brewer's Crystals (added due to low gravity)
1/2 Whirlfloc tablet
1/2 tsp. Yeast Nutrient
1 packet White Labs WLP540 yeast
1 Campden Tablet in mash water

According to BeerSmith, the characteristics for this beer should be:
  • Estimated OG: 1.099 SG or 23.6 Brix
  • Estimated Pre-boil Gravity: 1.084 Brix of 20.2 Brix
  • Estimated FG: 8.5 Brix
  • IBUs: 26.9
  • SRM: 39.3
  • ABV: 9.6%
  • BU:GU ratio: 0.34
  • Volume: 5.1 gallons
My actual ended up being approximately 5.5 gallons at 20.2 Brix.  However, after recently recalibrating my refractometer against a hydrometer, that actually works out to a gravity of 1.086 SG or 20.7 Brix (the refractometer reads low).  That works out to an efficiency of 74.9%.  That means the beer should probably come out around 8.4% ABV instead of 9.6% as intended.

Mash

Placed 6.5 gallons in The Grainfather's kettle and began heating it to 154F.  Placed 2 gallons in a separate kettle to serve as sparge water.

A step mash schedule was used:
  • Mash in at 154F
  • Mash step 1:  154F for 30 minutes
  • Mash step 2:  160F for 60 minutes
  • Mash out at 167F for 10 minutes
  • Sparge with 2 gallons of 167-170F water
This yielded approximately 7 gallons of wort at a gravity of 17.2 Brix.  This was more wort than I needed (6.6 gallons) so a longer boil was required to get the gravity closer to the intended amount.

Interestingly, the large grain bill plus the use of Carapils and Melanoidin malts generated a fair amount of foam in The Grainfather's kettle during the mash, enough so that I had to clean it up a bit after taking these shots:

Foam escaping the kettle during the mash

Another view of the escaping foam during the mash
I would guess from this that the beer will have no problem generating and holding a head later on.


Boil

The original recipe called for a 90-minute boil, with no hop additions during the first 30 minutes. I brought the wort to a boil with the Brewcolator installed in the kettle.  After 30 minutes, the wort still had not reached the 6.4 gallon mark, so I waited another 10-20 minutes for it to get there. Then I followed the schedule below:
  • 60 minutes: Add Styrian Goldings
  • 20 minutes: Add 0.7 oz. Hallertau Mittelfrueh
  • 10 minutes: Add Whirlfloc, yeast nutrient
  • 7 minutes: Begin recirculating boiling wort through counter flow chiller to sterilize it
  • 5 minutes: Add 0.5 oz. Hallertau and candi syrup, stirring to dissolve syrup
  • 0 minutes:  Whirlpool, turn off pump, run cold water through chiller to cool it down
  • Pump wort into sanitized fermenter
Post-boil there was just a hair under 6 gallons in the kettle.  Pumped into the fermenter, it hit the six gallon mark, as very little remained in the kettle at the end.  Gravity measured 20.2 Brix and 21.2 Brix on different attempts.  I wanted to do a hydrometer reading but I had misplaced the sample tube.


Fermentation

The plan is to let this one free rise and ferment as the yeast activity dictates.  I hooked up a blow-off tube in anticipation of blow-off, since there wasn't a lot of head space in the fermenter and this is a relatively high-gravity brew.

I'm planning to give it about 2 weeks in the primary fermenter, then transfer it to another fermenter for 4 more weeks as secondary.  Then I'll bottle it, aiming for 3.0 to 3.5 volumes of CO2.

11/20/2017:  36 hours after pitching the yeast, I saw no activity through the blow-off tube. I was concerned, so I popped the lid to find a nice thick krausen. Now, there is significant activity. The tube is burping at least every second.

11/21/2017: The blow-off activity has slowed, but the water in the blow-off jug now has a pale brown color.  Tube burping has slowed to maybe once every two seconds.

12/10/2017:  Primary fermentation has finished.  I decided to skip a secondary fermentation, as I doubted this would benefit the beer... though this was only a guess.  In lieu of this, I would plan for a long bottle conditioning phase instead, and accelerate this with relatively high temperature. Based on some reading I had done since brewing the beer, I learned that many of the breweries in Belgium ferment and condition at temperatures as high as 95F.  I configured my "hot box" (insulated cooler with temperature control) to keep the beer at 85F.  I'll leave the beer in there for a month, or until I need the cooler again.

Post-Mortem and Other Notes

This batch provided another test of the Brewcolator device.  Anecdotally, it seems like batches brewed with the device cause the basement to seem more humid than batches done without it.  I haven't been diligent about measuring boil-off with and without it, to see if that can be proven scientifically.  That's something I need to do.  I do think it may be contributing to clearer beers, but again that's not scientifically proven yet either.  I do know that it tends to make drops of wort end up all around the kettle, which adds to cleanup a little.

Gravity came up low on this one relative to what I expected.  In part, I think this is due to my mash and sparge water calculations being off. I'll have to watch those on the next batch.

12/10/2017:  At the end of the brew, the fermenter registered six gallons instead of the 5.1 I expected. Today, at bottling, the number registered approximately 5.25 gallons.  I knew the markings in this particular fermenter were off, but I didn't realize they were that far off. Since my priming sugar dose was based on that figure, the beer will end up being carbonated to around 3.5 volumes of CO2 instead of the 3.25 I had planned. That's a legitimate level for a Belgian style beer, but concerns me because of the chance of bursting one or more bottles. We'll see how it goes.

12/15/2017:  I chilled a bottle of the beer and opened it.  It poured a very dark brown, nearly black, with a thick light brown head that lasted quite a while.  The aroma was one of chocolate and dark fruit.  The flavor had a touch of chocolate, lots of dark fruit, and (unfortunately) a distinct hoppy bitterness that detracted somewhat from the beer.  The dark fruit flavor, and the intensity of it, is something I've been trying to achieve in my Belgian-style beers forever and failing at.  This recipe gets it right. I can imagine that if the gravity of this was dialed up high enough and the bitterness dialed back enough, it could almost taste like Gulden Draak... one of my favorite brews.

12/22/2017:  The beer has been in the "hot box" now for 12 days.  The hot box has kept the beer at a near-steady 85F, which has helped to carbonate the beer and (I hope) accelerate the bottle-conditioning process to improve the flavor. Tonight I removed it from the hot box and left it out in the basement at ambient temperatures, which right now are in the upper 50's and lower 60's.  The beer has also been labeled.  I kept a six-pack of the beer out of the hot box to see if there is any difference in taste between the beer that spent time at 85F and the same beer left at ambient basement temperatures.  I'm curious to know if, in the future, I can simulate an extended aging period by keeping the beer at a high temperature for a few weeks.  More on this as I learn more.

12/24/2017:  Over time, the beer has changed a little. The chocolate note in the aroma has dropped back to the background and the dark fruit is more prominent in the aroma. Overall, the flavors are mingling more and the beer seems to be getting smoother. I think the extended time in the hot space helped accelerate the conditioning process - but I will need to do some taste testing against a beer not placed in the hot box to see.  I also need to compare the beer to an actual Trappistes Rochefort and see how it stacks up.

01/03/2018:  I opened a bottle of the real Trappistes Rochefort 10 and my clone attempt.  First, here are the side-by-side photos:

Practically the same head thickness, texture, and color
The real beer (left) is more a dark mahogany, mine is more black
As you can see in the above photos, the two beers do have similarities.

Here are my tasting notes:
  • Appearance:  The real Rochefort 10 is slightly reddish, and dark brown, more or less a mahogany. It has a thick beige head that lasts a while, and a lot of carbonation.  Mine is almost black, has a slightly darker head, and a head that lasts a little longer than the read Rochefort. Both leave behind lacing in the glass.
  • Aroma:  The real Rochefort 10 has a pleasant dark fruit aroma, reminiscent of prunes, plums, or raisins. There is a hint of sweet malt and maybe honey, and a hint of minerals.  My beer has more of a malty/chocolatey aroma, practically no dark fruit (at least in comparison), and the same hint of minerals.  Both smell good, but they definitely smell different.
  • Mouthfeel:  Both are medium to full bodied, effervescent, and with a slight warmth to them. The real Rochefort 10 has more of a warming note.
  • Flavor:  The real Rochefort 10 starts malty, followed by a moderate amount of dark fruit flavor. There are hints of roasted grain or burnt sugar, but these are minimal at best.  There is a warming element to the beer on the back of the throat.  Mine starts malty, then turns chocolatey. It's lightly sweet, delivering more of that burnt/roasted element than the real Rochefort. The finish is chocolatey and malty.  Dark fruit does make an appearance, but it's a more brief (but more intense) flavor.  The warming note is there but much less, probably because my beer only hit about 7.5% to the real beer's 10.5%.
  • As it warmed, the real Rochefort became more bitter, showed less dark fruit, and a bit more of the burnt/roasted element than it did when it was colder.
I love the real beer, and my proverbial hat is off to the Trappists who make it.

If I take my beer as just "a random Belgian Strong Dark Ale" then it's actually quite good. Others I know who are Belgian dark ale fans have enjoyed it.  So in that sense, it is a good beer and I am not disappointed with it. However, in as much as I intended to clone Trappistes Rochefort 10, this beer is a near-complete failure.  I nailed the foam and the mouthfeel, but lost out on the aroma and flavor.

I had a bit of an epiphany as I sipped these two, though.  When I've tried to clone Rochefort 10 in the past, I have focused a bit too much (I think) on getting more dark fruit flavor into the beer. Because of that, I've been increasing the amount of Special B malt and dark candi syrup in the beer.  My epiphany went something like this:
  • Is the dark fruit being drowned out?  If you put three drops of lemon juice in a glass of Bud Light and three drops in an Oatmeal Stout, I suspect it would seem like there is "more" lemon flavor in the Bud Light. That's not because you actually put more lemon in it, but because there is so much more malt flavor in the stout that it drowns out the lemon juice.  Perhaps that is what's happening with my clone attempts. I've been trying to hit both the gravity of the original beer and the dark fruit flavor by increasing the amounts of dark sugar and Special B.  That's also making the beer too dark and perhaps hiding some of the flavor that's there.
  • Would it work to make a lighter beer, put in enough Special B and candi syrup to hit the color, and make up the gravity with rice syrup, corn sugar, or some other neutral fermentable that produces the alcohol without adding to the color or making the beer heavier?  This approach would be more like the "three drops of lemon in a Bud Light" idea, where what I've been doing is more like trying to add more and more lemon to the stout.
  • Perhaps the next version of the recipe should be more like this:
    • 7.75 pounds of Belgian Pilsner
    • 0.30 pounds of Special B
    • 0.25 pounds of Melanoidin Malt
    • 0.25 pounds of Cara-Pils/Dextrine Malt
    • 0.25 pounds of Dark Candi Sugar/Syrup
    • 3.75 pounds of Corn Sugar (or clear Candi Sugar/Syrup)
  • The above recipe would end up making a mahogany colored ale that's 24 SRM and 10.5% ABV.  The real Rochefort 10 is reportedly 24 SRM and 11.3% ABV.  That's pretty close.  
  • On the other hand, the above recipe would be about 32% adjuncts. Even by the Belgian standards I have read about, that seems high.  Maybe include some rice syrup or some additional pilsner malt? I don't know.
In any case, I've got work to do if I actually want a passable clone of Rochefort 10.

04/09/2018:  Three bottles of the beer were left at Barley's Ale House for their annual home brewing competition. I should have the results in a couple of weeks.

04/22/2018:  This beer made it to the final round at Barley's Ale House's 23rd Annual Homebrew Competition.  In the final round, it received the first 50/50 score in the history of the competition and went on to win it!  I am still a bit in shock, but thrilled it did so well!  I will be brewing it at Barley's next year for the celebration there...

04/24/2018:  While I was happy with this beer when I brewed it, I felt it could be better.  Still, everyone who tried it seemed to remember and love it. Some asked for additional bottles, even.  The three first-round judges scored the beer 40, 42, and 40.  That got it moved to the final round.  Below are the individual component scores and notes I received:

  • Aroma (8, 9, and 10)
    • Malt dominant with nice dark fruit esters - a touch of roast. Lots of raisin.
    • Spicy esters are subdued, toast and some caramel, very nice dark dried fruit
    • More hop forward, with a bit of esters. Some dark fruit
  • Appearance (3, 3, and 2)
    • Great, persistent head
    • Very dark ruby, great head retention
    • Very dark, nearly opaque. Should be a bit lighter. Head dissipates evenly.
  • Flavor (16, 17, and 18)
    • Acidic but nice malt character. Dark fruits. Plum. Sweet, chocolate, and roast.
    • Malt-forward with some fruit. A bit sweet, but good for style. Could use more fruity yeast esters. A touch of Belgian chocolate. Excellent overall!
    • Good grain/caramel/dark fruit. Good balance and finish.
  • Mouthfeel (4, 4, and 4)
    • Appropriate
    • Well balanced as it warms
    • Creamy, rich, full body - no apparent warmth
  • Overall Impression (8, 8, and 8)
    • Very nice beer. Belgian yeast is so subtle as to allow this to maybe overlap with Old Ale, and that's fine with me. KEEP IT UP!
    • Nice balance. Could use a bit more body and lighter on color (not too much). Looking for a more dark red.

If you look at my earlier notes, I felt the color was too dark. The judges basically agreed.  I didn't overcarbonate this one, as it was brewed in The Grainfather where I had volume and gravity fairly well dialed in.

I need to learn how to coax more flavor out of the Belgian yeast.  A Ferulic Acid Rest can help with that, and I didn't know about that at the time I brewed this.  I'll try that next time. 

Comments

  1. Thanks for this post - I too love this beer and brewing this beer. It is such a complicated brew, but enjoy the challenge. I am brewing this again, this coming weekend; 18May2019.

    Would love to hear more on how you have refined your clone.

    I brew on a Brutus 10 clone and use a 14g uni tank for my fermenting.

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